From: "Tony Hitsman" To: "Anglican Mailing List" Subject: Anglican chili? Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 Both _Recipes from Kareen's Kitchen_ and _The Joy of Cooking_ use beans in chili. _Kareen's_ uses Garbanzo beans; _Joy_ uses Kidney beans. I've used both in addition to Pinto beans. What's the probelm with beans in chili? I've always used beans in chili. Canon Tony Hitsman ------------------------------- From: "Ellen Rains Harris" (A) Who the hell is Kareen? Has she ever been to Oklahoma? If no, then continue. (B) Who the hell is Irma Rombauer? Has she ever been to Oklahoma? If no, then continue. (C) Where does chili come from? Oklahoma. Continue. (D) Have you been to Oklahoma? If no, then continue. (E) Have you ever been to my house between October and March of any year with an "r" in it? If no, then continue. (F) You must be from bleedin' Canada, where they know from snow crab, but they don't know from chili. I hereby invite you to come to my house sometime when it isn't the blazing middle of the summer and I will make you chili and you will then divine the cabalistic mysteries of the spiced meat with no vegan material, none at all. Okay, some onion. Mrs H. ------------------------------- From: mary_thorpe No garlic? (sniff, sniff, looking pathetic and sad....) ------------------------------- From: "Ellen Rains Harris" Garlic is a spice. Spices are allowed. Carrots are not spices. Beans are not spices. Chili is so simple. Why must it be complicated with things like (gasp!) vegetables. Mrs H ------------------------------- From: Sibyl Smirl Tony Hitsman wrote: > I've always used beans in chili. But neither you, nor the writers of those cookbooks, are a Texan or an Oklahoman. Just wait until +Glenn is heard from on the subject, if he stops deleting List soon enough to notice it! I may point the thread out to him, or he may notice the subject line. http://www.io.com/~wallen/chili.html http://www.chili.org/rmoore.html http://www.chilicookoff.com/FactsFun/..\History\History_of_Chili.asp note the common absence in those recipes. Sibyl Smirl Kansiensis, and not so much the purist as my southern kinfolk (but close enough that Williams Chili Powder can be had) ------------------------------- From: Sibyl Smirl Ellen Rains Harris wrote: > I hereby invite you to come to my house sometime when it isn't the blazing > middle of the summer and I will make you chili and you will then divine the > cabalistic mysteries of the > spiced meat with no vegan material, none at all. Okay, some onion. Chili peppers themselves are vegan material. (Some might call them the vegan matter from Hell)(Not me! ;^)) ------------------------------- From: TexasTrish@aol.com ellenrainsharris@yahoo.com writes: > (C) Where does chili come from? Oklahoma. Continue. Say what? Pooks ------------------------------- From: "Ellen Rains Harris" For those of you who are chili-challenged: The Proper for the Feast Day of St. Bones Hook, patron of chili: Lord, God, you know us old cowhands is forgetful. Sometimes, I can't even recollect what happened yesterday. We is forgetful. We just know daylight from dark, summer, fall, winter, and spring. But I sure hope we don't never forget to thank you before we eat a mess of good chili. We don't know why, in your wisdom, you been so doggone good to us. The heathen Chinese don't have no chili, never. The Frenchmen is left out. The Russians don't know no more about chili than a hog knows about a sidesaddle. Even the Mexicans don't get a good whiff of chili unless they live around here. Chili-eaters is some of your chosen people, Lord. We don't know why you're so doggone good to us. But, Lord God, don't never think we ain't grateful for this chili we are about to eat. Amen. Thanks be to God. Mrs Harris, spiritual descendent of St Bones -------------------------------------- From: RickLMashburn In a message dated 2/6/2002 10:49:22 AM Central Standard Time, ellenrainsharris@yahoo.com writes: << Chili is so simple. Why must it be complicated with things like (gasp!) vegetables. >> Since it is cold here on the Gulf Coast (well, for us anyway), I had chili for dinner tonight thanks to this thread. Just like I had BBQ earlier this week to remember Matt+ (even though Goode Company doesn't meet his strict requirement for authenticity -- it's still be best in Houston, IMNSHO). I had beef, pork and chicken on the combo plate. Served with potato salad, beans and jalepeno cornbread. It was wonderful...and I'm sure Matt+ must have burped contentedly along with me. Peace to you all -- especially to Mrs. H. for her inspiration! Peace, Rick ------------------------------- From: "Helen Newton" ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen Rains Harris > > Chili is so simple. Why must it be complicated with things like (gasp!) > vegetables. What about tomatoes? But I forgot - they are fruit. Helen ------------------------------- From: "Ken Peck" At 01:04 PM 2/6/2002 -0500, TexasTrish@aol.com wrote: ellenrainsharris@yahoo.com writes: > (C) Where does chili come from? Oklahoma. Continue. Say what? Oklahoma. You know, that north Dallas suburb. But obviously this Anglican "chili" demonstrates the ill-considered "inclusiveness" of Anglicans, who apparently will include anything in their "chili" (so called). This is like putting brussel sprouts in chocolate cake. The whole idea of putting beans in bona fide chili is a grave heresy. It was done by all the heretics -- Simon the Magician, Marcion, Arius, Nestorius, Pelagius, etc. As the Apostle said, "Do not put beans in chili." (This is the real, mystical meaning of 1 Corinthians 10:20-23. "... I do not want you to be partners with demons.... You cannot partake of ... the table of demons. Shall we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he? 'All things are lawful,' but not all things are helpful. 'All things are lawful,' but not all things build up." The great ecumenical council of Nicea issued as its first anathema, "Let him who putteth beans in chili be anathema." And our Lord privately cautioned the disciples, "Thou shalt not put beans in the chili." When the devil entered Judas, he put beans in his chili and then betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. ------------------------------- From: "Gaynor McCartney" Ken wrote:- >When the devil entered Judas, he put beans in his chili and > then betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. By which I take it that "silver" is the name used for BBQ Blessings, Gaynor ------------------------------- From: TexasTrish@aol.com bpglenn@mo.quik.com writes: > BTW, if you add beans use pinto. Texans barely know what kidney beans > are and garbanzo is only found on yuppy salad bars. I think those > beans are imported for the carpet baggers living here. Praise Jesus, he speaks the gospel! (Sorry, my Southern Baptist Texas ancestors channeled through me for a brief moment...) Pooks ------------------------------- From: TexasTrish@aol.com hnewton@ozemail.com.au writes: > > Chili is so simple. Why must it be complicated with things like (gasp!) > > vegetables. > What about tomatoes? The two big controversies among chili aficianados is whether it has beans, and whether it has tomoatoes. The purists say it has NO tomatoes. Frankly, one reason was the lack of availability of tomatoes. Cowboy cooks usually used the canned tomatoes in a different way when they were on the trail -- cowboys craved tomatoes the way sailors crave lemons. There's a need for vitamin C that the body is attempting to fulfill. But the cowboys loved their canned tomatoes straight -- with sugar on them. Pooks ------------------------------- From: klewis Mrs. Harris wrote: > Chili is so simple. Why must it be complicated with things > like (gasp!) vegetables. > My email has been messed up, so I may have missed it, but could you post a recipe for REAL chili? Kris Who confesses to making vegetarian chili with tomatoes, red and green peppers, garlic, onions, and several kinds of beans (black, kidney, pinto, garbanzo, black-eyed peas, white--yes, all in the same pot), and all served with rice and shredded cheese--yum. YMMV ------------------------------- From: Joanne Cummings I agree! Recipes are great... as starting points. Joanne of the Nile eclectic cook extraordinaire ------------------------------- From: "Tony Hitsman" klewis: >Who confesses to making vegetarian chili with tomatoes, red and green >peppers, garlic, onions, and several kinds of beans (black, kidney, pinto, >garbanzo, black-eyed peas, white--yes, all in the same pot), and all served >with rice and shredded cheese--yum. YMMV Praise the Lord! You also speak the Gospel! Tony, channeling some fundie preacher take that, Pooks! ------------------------------- From: Sibyl Smirl klewis wrote: > My email has been messed up, so I may have missed it, but could you post a > recipe for REAL chili? Go to the website mail and follow the thread--there have been several, including the URLs I posted. (but not Mrs. Harris' underwear) The recipe that I posted headed "recipe" was not chili and never was intended to be--only an unfortunate coincidence in time. > Who confesses to making vegetarian chili with tomatoes, red and green > peppers, garlic, onions, and several kinds of beans (black, kidney, pinto, > garbanzo, black-eyed peas, white--yes, all in the same pot), and all served > with rice and shredded cheese--yum. YMMV It does sound like yummm, but it wasn't chili, no matter what you might want to call it (see the two or three posts on _that_ on the website! ------------------------------- From: Ellen Rains Harris Dear Madame, While I understand that you have created some chili-like substances that may indeed be tasty, they are not chili. The official website of the International Chili Society has some recipes, esp. the two at http://www.chilicookoff.com/FactsFun/..\History\History_of_Chili.asp which I find to be acceptable and genuine. This is not a lie: when I was a small child, I thought that the nation of "Chili" had named itself after God's Finest Gift, red in a bowl. And I am not making this up. My mother had a chili pot and matching chili bowls since the '50's. This is genetic. Mrs Harris, keeper of the true bowl. klewis@smcvt.edu wrote: > Who confesses to making vegetarian chili with tomatoes, red and green > peppers, garlic, onions, and several kinds of beans (black, kidney, pinto, > garbanzo, black-eyed peas, white--yes, all in the same pot), and all served > with rice and shredded cheese--yum. YMMV ------------------------------- From: mary_thorpe ...and the sacramental elements are chuck beef and chipotles? Ellen Rains Harris WROTE 02/07/2002 This is not a lie: when I was a small child, I thought that the nation of "Chili" had named itself after God's Finest Gift, red in a bowl. And I am not making this up. ------------------------------- From: Ellen Rains Harris Sir, Perhaps you should arrange for the services of an exorcist. Yr obdt etc., Mrs H Tony Hitsman wrote: > Praise the Lord! You also speak the Gospel! > > Tony, channeling some fundie preacher ------------------------------- From: Ellen Rains Harris Madame (and neighbor), Chuck and chipotles are not necessary. Like the ability to make communion with matzo, Wonder bread or fish food disks, with Zinfandel, Muscatel or Mad Dog 20/20, one may use hamburger, brisket or even pork tenderloin in a pinch. And chipotles or anaheims or cayennes are simply a matter of taste. One hint: I have used dried powdered jalepeņos as a finishing touch. But no beans. Mrs Harris of Alexandria, thinking about chili even now. ------------------------------- From: "Daniel R. Porter" My dear Mrs. Harris: On the site you cite to us, International Chili Society, I find someone named H. Allen Smith, who is claimed by the "ICS" as one who knows more about chili than anyone. He writes in one place: "This is a thing that passeth all understanding, going full speed. It offends my sensibility and violates my mind. Mr. Tolbert criticizes Lyndon Johnson's chili recipe because it leaves out beef suet and includes tomatoes and onions. Yet the President's chili contains no beans. To create chili without beans . . . is to flout one of the basic laws of nature." Elsewhere he writes of his personal recipe: "Simmer for an hour and a half or longer, then add your beans. Pinto beans are best, but if they not available, canned kidney beans will do - two 15-17 oz. cans will be adequate." Gosh! Dan Porter ------------------------------- From: Ellen Rains Harris Madame: I refer you to the International (including outside Texas) standards for chili. CONTESTANT RULES & REGULATIONS SECTION 1. COOKING RULES & PROCEDURES. 1.1 "True chili is defined by the International Chili Society as any kind of meat, or combination of meats, cooked with chili peppers, various other spices, and other ingredients with the exception of BEANS and any type of PASTA which is strictly forbidden." Mrs Harris, beanless in Alexandria Sherri Butler wrote: > If we're not in Texas, we don't have to eat that way. ;-) ------------------------------- From: "Daniel R. Porter" And if you read further into the rules, when the chili is to be served for the People Choice awards, it must contain beans or pasta. In other words for tasting the brew leave out the beans but when it is time to eat it, throw them in. But pasta, no way. Dan ------------------------------- From: TexasTrish porter writes: > Pinto beans > are best, but if they not available, canned kidney beans will do - two 15-17 > oz. cans will be adequate." You know, if orange juice isn't available you can make a screwdriver with pineapple juice. That doesn't make it right. Or a screwdriver. Any recipe that calls for kidney beans is written by somebody who doesn't know that pinto beans are best. By somebody who doesn't know chili. As I said, there are two huge controversies re: chili. With or without beans, and with or without tomatoes. Pooks ------------------------------- From: Ellen Rains Harris Sir, Perhaps Mr. Smith is using them as a garnish. According to ICS competition rules: "CONTESTANT RULES & REGULATIONS SECTION 1. COOKING RULES & PROCEDURES. 1.1 "True chili is defined by the International Chili Society as any kind of meat, or combination of meats, cooked with chili peppers, various other spices, and other ingredients with the exception of BEANS and any type of PASTA which is strictly forbidden." Competition chili is also known to use roadkill possum or javelina. I don't do this as a regular practice. Perhaps Mr. Smith is doing a "bad chili" demonstration in this case. Yours for truth in chili, Mrs H ------------------------------- From: Bob Tomlinson I'll take tomatoes in my chili but you better leave out the beans. It's not true chili when beans are added, I don't care what the international rules say. Bob Tomlinson. who's been eating chili without beans for almost 54 years now. ------------------------------- From: "Ken Peck" At 09:28 PM 2/6/2002 -0500, Sherri Butler wrote: >If we're not in Texas, we don't have to eat that way. Isn't that rather like saying, "If we're not in France, we don't have to eat that way" as an excuse for eating "onion soup" from a Campbell's can? ------------------------------- From: Sherri Butler Ellen Rains Harris wrote: > I refer you to the International (including outside Texas) standards for chili. Good thing I don't subscribe to them. Sherri ------------------------------- From: Sherri Butler Nope. There's a huge difference - to me- between having beans (and I cook them, too - they're not from a can) in your homemade chili and eating anything out of a can. Obivously, as Pooks has pointed out, there are two camps on the chili issue - a chili with beans camp exists - otherwise I wouldn't have so many cookbooks with recipes for chile that include beans. Isn't saying there's only one way to make chili a little like saying there's only one way to make dressing - when each region has its own? (I haven't checked it out, but I would suspect that even in France there are variations on onion soup.) Sherri Ken Peck wrote: > At 09:28 PM 2/6/2002 -0500, Sherri Butler wrote: > Isn't that rather like saying, "If we're not in France, we don't have to > eat that way" as an excuse for eating "onion soup" from a Campbell's can? ------------------------------- From: Ellen Rains Harris Jeez Laweez! No wonder Episcopalians need maids and cooks as a sacrament! I don't claim lasagna expertise, but Jeez Laweez! "James R. Guthrie" wrote: > "Anglican" Chili? (see Jim Guthrie's Anglican Chili?) > > That's ground beef fried and drained, with a can of Campbell's Beans and > plenty of Ketchup. Salt and pepper to taste. ------------------------------- From: "Glenn E. Hammett" No. If you use beans then the end product is no longer "chile". "Chile" is the short way of saying "chili con carne". If you cook the product with beans it becomes "chili con carne y frijoles". There is another product that I like called "chili verde" which is a beef stew with potatoes and whole chile peppers (and other vegetables). Selling or serving a product as chili when it contains beans is false advertising. It is not only heresy, but should be against the law. (vbg) +Glenn Sherri Butler wrote: > > Nope. There's a huge difference - to me- between having beans (and I cook > them, too - they're not from a can) in your homemade chili and eating > anything out of a can. ------------------------------- From: Sherri Butler "Glenn E. Hammett" wrote: > Selling or serving a product as chili when it contains beans is false > advertising. It is not only heresy, but should be against the law. > (vbg) > > +Glenn Y'all need to get after all those cookbook writers then. ;-) Send them flames. Or send them chile! Sherri -------------------------------